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<p><span style="font-size: 1rem;">Startups, scale-ups, and unicorns get all the press &#8211; but there are an awful lot more product people working at large organisations. Katie Saindon, Senior Manager of Product Management at GE Healthcare, is one of them. Working on their digital products and platforms, she&#8217;s learned a lot about how to survive and thrive in a company that&#8217;s on a journey to new ways of working. She joins us on the podcast this week to share some of her experiences.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 1rem;">In this episode, sponsored by <a href="https://www.yellowfinbi.com/mtp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Yellowfin</a>,</span><span style="font-size: 1rem;"> listen to learn about:</span></p>
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<li>Enterprise Product Management</li>
<li>What constitutes a &#8216;Feature Factory&#8217;</li>
<li>Making teams more outcome-focused</li>
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<blockquote><p>Know who it is you’re working with. If you have rapport it’s a lot easier to say: “Hey, I might sound crazy, but trust me, let’s try this and see how it goes” when you have that relationship.</p></blockquote>
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<li>Follow Katie on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/katie-saindon/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">LinkedIn</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/KatieSaindon" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Twitter</a>, or her work at <a href="https://www.gehealthcare.co.uk/en-gb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">GE Healthcare</a></li>
<li><a href="https://medium.com/@ksaindon/lifting-the-feature-factory-boulder-e340904f7ed5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lifting the Feature Factory Boulder</a>, on Medium</li>
<li>Teresa Torres&#8217; <a href="https://www.product-frameworks.com/Opportunity-Solution-Tree.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Opportunity Solution Tree model</a></li>
<li>Roadmap platforms <a href="https://www.aha.io" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Aha!</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.prodpad.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ProdPad</a></li>
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<h3>Our Hosts</h3>
<p>The Product Experience is hosted by Lily Smith and Randy Silver.</p>
<p><strong>Lily</strong> enjoys working as a consultant product manager with early-stage and growing startups and as a mentor to other product managers. She&#8217;s currently Head of Innovation at Go Compare and has spent 13 years in the tech industry working with startups in the SaaS and mobile space. She&#8217;s worked on a diverse range of products &#8211; leading the product teams through discovery, prototyping, testing and delivery. Lily also founded ProductTank Bristol (which now has 800+ members!) and runs ProductCamp in Bristol and Bath.</p>
<p><strong>Randy</strong> is a product consultant and coach who has been working as an interactive producer and product manager across the US and UK for nearly 20 years. A recovering music journalist and editor, he launched Amazon’s music stores in the US and UK, and has worked across sectors including museums and arts groups, online education, media and entertainment, retail and financial services. He’s held Head of Product roles at HSBC and Sainsbury’s, where he also directed their 100+-person product community. Randy&#8217;s book, <a href="https://outofowls.com/book" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>What Do We Do Now? A Product Manager&#8217;s Guide to Strategy in the Time of COVID-19</em></a> is out now, with all profits going to COVID-19 relief efforts.</p>

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